• NoMoreRulers

    While Ms. Jaeger be dedicated to those with mental illness, which I admire (as I studied psychology), her appeal not only lacks statistical basis but defies basic logic. Of course violence and mental health issues are two different things but for God’s sake, tell us what mentally fit individual goes on a rampage to kill dozens of unrelated, unknown innocent people? We wouldn’t be having this discussion if it wasn’t for the last mass shootings, all of which were perpetuated by individuals with mental illness.

    Further, she states that there is “no evidence that people with mental health conditions are no more likely than others to commit homicides or violent acts?” This statement frankly stunned me, considering her position. One thing is to advocate for a position but another is to mislead to promote a position. A quick Google search found plenty of “evidence.” Here is an article http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/31/mass-murder-and-mental-illness-the-interplay-of-stigma-culture-and-disease that also includes a link to one such study that showed that people who have schizophrenia and substance-use disorder have 9 times higher risk of violence. Here is another article that quotes another recent study http://www.capitalpunishmentbook.com/?p=756 and yet another that says that over ½ of the mass shootings perpetuated by individuals with acute paranoia, delusions and our depression. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/jared-loughner-mass-shootings-mental-illness

    Obviously, criminal background checks without mental background checks would be meaningless as they would not have stopped any of the recent mass murders. Further, since 80% of mass murderers obtained their weapons illegally (link from Mother Jones), what major impact on mass shootings will all these new gun control laws have on those who purchase guns legally? The mental health industry needs to do much better job in reporting and tracking individuals with mental illness outside background checks, since not only 80% of these perpetrators obtain weapons illegally but because over 1/2 the murders are committed with knives and other weapons besides guns. Time we stopped sacrificing our children for the possible “stigma” of labeling someone as a potential risk to themselves or others. This can/should be done with privacy but it absolutely must be done, and now.

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  • Looking For REAL Answers

    NoMore Rulers (below) has been mislead by media portrayals.

    Have you ever seen a headline that read, “Perfectly Sane Man Kills Wife”? Neither have I, but that is the norm. Sensational media coverage of the rare occurrence when a person with mental illness is violent, however, leads the uninformed public to believe that all people with psychiatric disorders are dangerous. It is simply not true.

    People with mental illnesses are far more likely to be victims than perpetrators of crime. NIMH studies have documented that 95% OF VIOLENCE IS COMMITTED BY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE A PSYCHIATRIC DISORDER.

    If you need further proof that people with mental illness are not, as a group, dangerous and violent, consider this. It is a research-ducumented fact that one in five people in the United States will have a mental illness each year. If most (or even many) of them were violent it would not be safe to go outside.

    People with mental illnesses are all around us living brave, productive lives. To call them violent when it is simply not true is both ill-informed and harmful. Good public policy must be grounded in reality.

    • NoMoreRulers

      Misled by the media? Are you saying that the media misreported the facts or that they shouldn’t have mentioned it because, it’s irrelevant? The fact that they shot dozens of people that they never met is a perfectly normal human behavior?

      Regardless, you want to dismiss the media AND all of the studies (that I provided links for) because you read that 95% of violence is committed by people that do not have disorder. But of course! Probably 95% of all violence committed in the US is also committed by people that reside in the US because probably 95% of all people currently in the US, reside in the US. Basic probability—not even close to being an argument.

      But, since you mentioned NIMH, I thought I’d check and this is what they say: “Is violence more common in people with SMI? Yes, during an episode of psychosis, especially psychosis associated with paranoia and so-called “command hallucinations”, the risk of violence is increased. People with SMI are up to three times more likely to be violent and when associated with substance abuse disorders, the risk may increase much further.” You need to catch up on your reading…

      Alas, I never said that all people with any form of “mental illness” (anxiety, ADD, eating disorders, cognitive decline, etc.) have a greater tendency to commit violent acts. We are clearly talking about acute disorders like schizophrenia, psychotic disorders, etc. Those who treat people who suffer from the types of mental illness absolutely should be required to report individuals (that are not confined) that are have a higher probability of committing mass/random violence!

  • Osazeone

    I agree with Ms. Jeager. Our politicians are quick to scapegoat people with mental illness. People kill, not the mentally ill. People kill, not guns. How fast we as a nation forget words of wisdom and life, “violence begets violence, you don’t end violence with violence.” Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

  • http://twitter.com/righterbeauti09 Veronica D. Terry

    Right on!

  • http://twitter.com/righterbeauti09 Veronica D. Terry

    I concur

  • NoMoreRulers

    How many more children have to die before you guys acknowledge that most random mass murders (by a significant large percent as shown in studies at the NIMH and endless other studies) are committed by people with serious mental illnesses?! Heck these same people that can go out there an buy guns are not even allowed scissors when institutionalized! Just a few weeks ago we almost had MORE children become victim to another acute mentailly ill individual!! Read up and get your heads out of the sand. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kathleen-parker-guns-are-a-loaded-issue-in-the-south/2013/02/15/34cd1c20-77b6-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html

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